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Don Stidsen <[log in to unmask]>
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ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology Centers
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Popeye  the Sailor used to say "enough is too much". Please create an  
evolution vs. creation list-serve or a chat group, but please go away.

Don Stidsen...MIT Museum


On Jan 11, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Anna Grace wrote:

> ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology  
> Centers
> Incorporated, a worldwide network of science museums and related  
> institutions.
> ********************************************************************** 
> *******
>
> OK, I have to throw my hat into the ring at this point.  This has  
> been a fascinating discussion.  Thank you, Mac , for sharing the  
> views of St. Thomas Aquinas.  I agree with him wholeheartedly.
>
> Science and religion are different, like apples and oranges.   
> Religion is
> based on belief (faith) and science is based on evidence.  While  
> they both
> go about answering the same questions, they do it in a very  
> different way.
>
> While I personally don't believe in God, that doesn't mean He/She/ 
> They don't
> exist.  It just hasn't been scientifically proven.  There is no  
> scientific
> evidence.  Will there ever be?  I have no idea.  Right now, the
> question of the existence of God belongs only in the realm of  
> religion and
> faith.  A scientist can do science (look for evidence) and believe  
> in God at the
> same time.  They are not mutually exclusive.
>
> Years ago when I taught 8th grade science, I had a student say to  
> me, "I
> don't belleve in dinosaurs."  And I said, "That's OK, you don't  
> have to, but
> in science class we're going to learn about the evidence for their
> existence."
>
> People are going to believe what they want to believe.  Beliefs are  
> very
> hard to change.  Our role as science educators is twofold: to  
> present the
> scientific evidence for theories like evolution and let people  
> decide for
> themselves what they want to believe AND to point out that theories  
> like ID
> and creationism are not based on scientific evidence and therefore  
> fall into
> the realm of religion (theology, philosophy, mythology, whatever  
> you want to call it)
> and not science.
>
> Anna
>
> On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:31 AM, WILLIAM M. SUDDUTH wrote:
>
>> ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology  
>> Centers
>> Incorporated, a worldwide network of science museums and related  
>> institutions.
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>>
>> This is a very old problem.  St Thomas Aquinas sought to reconcile  
>> science
>> with religion by dividing it into two realms that could not  
>> contradict
>> each other (reason and revelation).  To Aquinas God was a matter  
>> of faith
>> and not of proof.  Moreover,  he thought to be able to scientifically
>> prove God would destroy the beauty and value of faith.  After all  
>> if you
>> can prove it scientifically, then what's the point of believing?
>>
>> Dr. Mac Sudduth
>> Coordinator of Science Grants
>> Premier DeKalb County Schools
>> Department of Research and Evaluation
>> 3770 N. Decatur Road
>> Decatur, Georgia 30032-1099
>> 678-676-0675
>> [log in to unmask]
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> --------------------
> Anna Grace
> Exhibit Coordinator
>
> Explorit Science Center
> 2801 2nd Street (Main Public Site)
> 3141 5th Street (Mace Park Branch)
> P.O. Box 1288 (mail address)
> Davis, CA 95617
> 530.756.0191
> fax 530.756.1227
> http://www.explorit.org
>
> We've expanded!  Explorit's public exhibit gallery has moved to our  
> new site along I-80 which opened on September 23 at 2801 2nd St..   
> Learn more about our Expanding the Explorit Experience project and  
> on-going capital campaign by visiting http://www.explorit.org/ 
> expansion/index.html
>
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