And the Carrizo Plain in San Luis Obispo County.
In a message dated 10/10/2006 7:07:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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Yes Virginia, uh, I mean Bob...such reeds are known to have grown...and
still are growing (I presume) in S. CA.
http://www.calflora.org/cgi-bin/species_query.cgi?where-taxon=Phragmites
%20australis&ttime=1160531280
There's a Carrizo Gorge, Carrizob Badlands, Carrizo Creek (& Valley),
etc. in San Diego/Imperial counties.
(apparently Carrizozo, NM got its name for the abundance of such reeds
in that area)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Bob Skiles
>Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:17 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: carrizo = phragmites in SoCal?
>
>... the term "carrizo" in the quotation below (and as used by
>the Spanish chroniclers in western Texas) referred to the
>phragmites australis reed ...
>
>i've seen the word "carrizo" used by early Spanish chroniclers
>referring to source material for the cane arrows made by the
>Indians in the area of the southern California missions, too,
>which clearly (by contextual descriptions of the arrows)
>refers to some type of cane or reed, but I'm not sure it
>referred to phragmites ... did phragmites australis (or
>communis) grow along streams in southern California?
>
>Bob Skiles
>
>
>> In James L. Haley's <italic>Apaches: A History and Culture Portrait
>> (</italic>University of Oklahoma Press, 1997), the author says the
>> Apache of New Mexico and west Texas made two kinds of
>arrows, hardwood or cane.
>> Hardwoods were "preferably mountain mahogany, Apache plume, or
>> mulberry, and some Chiricahuas became known for arrows of
>desert broom
>> (<italic>Baccharis sarothroides</italic>)." (p. 109) Cane
>arrows were
>> made from carrizo, and included a hardwood foreshaft four to six
>> inches long.
>>
>
>
>~~~
>"Smithers! Get that bedlamite to an alienist." ~ C. Monty Burns
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