My Sympathy : )

(from someone with a thousand odd, itty bitty shards from Cossack with only 
one markers mark amongst the lot)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Walter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: porcelain id


>I DO have back marks, both Japanese and Bavarian.  I've been trying to 
>match
> them to the itty bitty decal decorated rim sherds, with only a couple of
> successes.  I would love to connect more of them together AND figure out
> where the unconnected bits originated.
>
> I've already run into all the problems you've mentioned, and have already
> checked extensively the internet.  Spent a lot of money on second hand
> collectors books to look at photos.  Been to 3 antique malls and talked to
> people who deal with porcelains.
>
> My site was supposedly not used after 1927, but I have marks starting in 
> the
> 1930s.  As later sites become more significant the copying situation gets
> more complicated.  Although I posted my query about porcelain, which is 
> the
> most difficult for me to figure out, also from this assemblage are single
> colored vessels of apparently Japanese origin in direct mimicry of Bauer 
> and
> similar California produced 1930s+ wares.  This site is in Los Angeles
> county.
>
> No magical lights?  No easy answers?  Darn!  Thanks though.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ariadne Moore" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: porcelain id
>
>
> Susan,
> I'm by no means an expert on porcelain identification, but I think it 
> could
> be quite tricky to identify Japanese vs. Bavarian without back-marks, 
> which
> it seems you don't have on your site. Unless the rim sherds are 
> identifiable
> as having a known motif that you can place to a reference, it could be
> difficult, because the export markets mimic each other stylistically in
> order to compete for the same business. To complicate matters, I think 
> that
> Noritake porcelain was frequently exported as blanks and decorated in the
> U.S., etc. If you can identify the vessel form, I think certain
> European-style teacups, for instance, are only produced in Japan after 
> WWII,
> which would make yours European.
> As a quick reference to oriental porcelain, have you ever looked at the
> website www.gotheborg.com <http://www.gotheborg.com> ? It's a collector's
> site, but is pretty informative as a starting point.
> Good luck!
> --Ariadne.
>
> On 8/29/05, Susan Walter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Aug. 29, 2005
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have a site dating into the 1930s, with a lot of porcelain. Much of it
>> is small fragments with decal decoration. I have some Japanese, some
>> Bavarian. I am crosseyed and nearly crazy from looking through Collector
> and
>> Schiffer books.
>>
>> Does anyone know of a way to differentiate Japanese from European 
>> produced
>> porcelains? Or good references?
>>
>> To clarify my question, I am talking about small DECAL decorated RIM
>> sherds of PORCELAIN.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> S. Walter
>>