I get the same as Bob, George Miller's posts are all in some sort of code.
Like Bob I would like to see his postings.
yours
Iain Stuart
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----- Original Message -----
From: "HISTARCH automatic digest system" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 6:00 PM
Subject: HISTARCH Digest - 7 Mar 2006 to 8 Mar 2006 (#2006-55)
> There are 18 messages totalling 686 lines in this issue.
>
> Topics of the day:
>
> 1. Drinking straws (4)
> 2. American open spaces (8)
> 3. Midwestern Farmstead Biblio (5)
> 4. Drinking straws - Pixie Stix
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 04:30:58 -0500
> From: Ron May <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Drinking straws
>
> And before plastic and paper straws, there were glass "straws" advertised
as
> hygienic. And, just to keep the energy flow of George Meyers' mind dumps,
I
> might add that around 1953 or 1954 California schools got it in their
minds
> that amber glass milk bottles were more hygienic and retained vitamins
longer
> than those small half pint clear glass bottles.
>
> Ron May
> Legacy 106, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 07:40:11 -0500
> From: david G Orr <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> The literature of landscapes and culture is IMMENSE! One
> sort of ancillary volume is reread by me personally again
> and again. It presents open expanse and vast unbroken
> landscapes from another perspective. read Barry Lopez's
> wondrous Arctic Dreams. dgo
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 08:03:29 -0500
> From: jakob crockett <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> William,
>
> Although not archaeology, Kenneth Robert Olwig's book, "Landscape,
> Nature, and the Body Politic" provides a great overview of the
> development of landscape thinking and concludes with a chapter on
> ideas of landscape, country, and nature in the United States.
>
> Jake
>
> --
> Jakob Crockett
>
> Department of Anthropology
> University of South Carolina
> Hamilton College, Room 317
> Columbia, SC 29208
>
> Phone: (803) 777-6500
>
> --
>
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 07:09:30 -0800
> From: william McAlexander <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: American open spaces
>
> Greetings one and all,
> I was wondering if anyone out there knew of any good sources to examine
=3D
> concerning open expanse thinking in North America? That would be the =3D
> U.S., Canada, and Mexico. Has there been any landscape archaeology =3D
> analysis all this boundless space to do whatever we want with?=3D20
>
> Thanks,
> William E. McAlexander Jr. =3D
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:37:41 -0800
> From: Joe Dent <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> on 3/8/06 4:40 AM, david G Orr at [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > The literature of landscapes and culture is IMMENSE! One
> > sort of ancillary volume is reread by me personally again
> > and again. It presents open expanse and vast unbroken
> > landscapes from another perspective. read Barry Lopez's
> > wondrous Arctic Dreams. dgo
>
>
> And let's not forget another classic - William Cronon's, "Changes in the
> Land: Indians, Colonists, and the Ecology of New England." It's full of
> ideas applicable to any region....
>
> joe dent
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 11:55:39 -0500
> From: Ron May <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> The entire concept of undeveloped land has been a cultural thing. Many
early
> settlers saw raw, natural land full of gnarly old trees as something to be
> feared, evil and metaphysical that had to be tamed by removing forests,
grading
> the land, and harnessing the waters. Ethnic roots of these odd ideas are
> fascinating in themselves.
>
> Ron May
> Legacy 106, Inc.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:14:27 -0500
> From: "Davis, Daniel (KYTC)" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> I'm fairly certain that concept is still largely in vogue. The =
> "wilderness", be it pasture, forest, or two-lane country road is seen as =
> not being productive. Some folks feel that we must "help" these areas =
> reach their full potential, which would be the economic gold mines of =
> Wal-Mart, McDonalds, and strip malls. Huzzah!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ron
> May
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
>
> The entire concept of undeveloped land has been a cultural thing. Many =
> early=20
> settlers saw raw, natural land full of gnarly old trees as something to =
> be =20
> feared, evil and metaphysical that had to be tamed by removing forests, =
> grading=20
> the land, and harnessing the waters. Ethnic roots of these odd ideas =
> are =20
> fascinating in themselves.
> =20
> Ron May
> Legacy 106, Inc.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:42:12 -0500
> From: George Myers <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> One history that incorporates archaeology (by a "...Pulitzer
> Prize-winning biographer of FDR, Winston Churchill, and Somerset
> Maugham") "Wilderness at Dawn The Settling of the North American
> Continent" by Ted Morgan, published by Simon and Schuster, c) 1993 is
> interesting incorporating archaeology:
>
> "Concentrating on those previously ignored by "polite histories"
> (ordinary settlers, unknown soldiers, scalawags, pioneer women,
> slaves, and Native Americans), Morgan uses scenes and dialogue from
> actual letters, journals, and diaries to recreate the odysseys,
> adventures, human dramas, and the inhuman suffering that shaped
> America." from the inside front jacket cover.
> ...
> "Enriched by Ted Morgan's own visits to most of the sites he
> describes, enlivened by the actual words of characters such as
> circuit-riding minister Charles Woodmason, the freed slave Thomas
> Jeremiah, the frontiersman Christopher Gist and the plantation
> manager,Eliza Lucas, Wilderness at Dawn is a lively world of rich
> historical storytelling and adventure." closing paragraph in the
> inside back jacket.
>
> Sort of like Gordon Parks' film "Leadbelly" putting real faces on
> historical records, and rescuing "blacks in American cinema"
>
> George Myers
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:55:15 -0500
> From: "Efstathios I. Pappas" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> I am a particular fan of the works by Cronon, Marx, and Stilgoe which=20
> have been already mentioned and would add that the idea of stewardship=20
> of the landscape in order to render it productive is an important part=20
> of American history and expansion. Not only could wilderness stand for=20
> irrationality and fear as Stilgoe holds, but he also notes it is=20
> counter to a producer ethos which values a "middle landscape" of=20
> improved, constantly worked land. Blanton similarly notes that "a=20
> mindset among these colonists (was) that it was their rightful place,=20
> even duty, to make the Virginia environment a productive one, which in=20
> their view usually meant imposing an English model" (Rockman and Steele=20
> 2003: 191). This idea of a proper aesthetic associated with cultural=20
> values of improvement can also be juxtaposed with the study of=20
> dereliction and revitalization of which Jakle or Hofer would be notable=20
> authors. As an industrial archaeologist I have found these sources to=20
> be important for studying the modern post-industrial landscape in North=20
> America. I am in the process of putting together a session for the SHAs=20
> this year focusing on landscapes of labor and phenomenological=20
> approaches (Tilley 1994) for understanding the goals, values, and=20
> identities of different participants within these contested landscapes.=20
> If anyone is interested in talking more about this please email me=20
> personally.
>
> Regards,
>
> Stathi Pappas
>
> ______________________________________________________
>
> Efstathios I. Pappas, MS
> Doctoral Student
> Department of Anthropology/096
> University of Nevada, Reno
> Reno, NV 89557
> (775) 323-5730
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Davis, Daniel (KYTC) <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:14:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> I'm fairly certain that concept is still largely in vogue. The=20
> "wilderness", be
> it pasture, forest, or two-lane country road is seen as not being=20
> productive.
> Some folks feel that we must "help" these areas reach their full=20
> potential,
> which would be the economic gold mines of Wal-Mart, McDonalds, and=20
> strip malls.
> Huzzah!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ron
> May
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 11:56 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
>
> The entire concept of undeveloped land has been a cultural thing.
Many=20
> early
> settlers saw raw, natural land full of gnarly old trees as something=20
> to be
> feared, evil and metaphysical that had to be tamed by removing=20
> forests, grading
> the land, and harnessing the waters. Ethnic roots of these odd ideas=20
> are
> fascinating in themselves.
>
> Ron May
> Legacy 106, Inc.
>
> =20
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:15:07 -0500
> From: Marty Pickands <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Drinking straws
>
> Oh, yes! Doesn't anyone remember ""Flav-r-Straws"? They were paper with
> a flexible neck and a strip of cardboard down the inside impregnated
> with flavoring for your milk. I remember then as ca. 1960.
>
> Marty Pickands
>
> >>> [log in to unmask] 03/07/06 10:03 PM >>>
> I don't have much memory of plastic straws...since I didn't grow up
> (and
> still don't) drinking sodas...or drinks from fast food establishments.
> But...I seem to remember using flexi-straws (bendible) - and that
> would
> mean plastic - no? ...as a kid (1960s)...when we were sick...and mom
> used them to make it easier for us to drink. ??? I remember the straw
> box with a clown face on it, even...but, those may have been the waxed
> paper ones. ?? I bet she still has it in her drawer!
>
> Did you know... In 1888, Marvin Stone patented the spiral winding
> process to manufacture the first paper drinking straws. ?
>
> Otherwise, I'm coming up empty-handed searching online (even tho Sarah
> didn't want an online source) for development of plastic straws.
>
> Just called my mom, and Yep...the box of straws is in the drawer I
> remember (16 of the original 40 remain). It is 'Scoopy Plastic
> Flexible
> Straws,' with Scoopy the Safe-T-Cone Clown...and there's even the
> dates
> of 1965-1973 on the box.
> But...here's a webpage about them (more or less). Ha!
> http://scoopy.anastrophe.com/
>
> And here's a box, from 1963, selling on e-bay:
> http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-1963-Scoopys-Tuff-Tip-Flexible-STRAWS_W0QQite
>
> mZ6610609597
>
> Yet in 1957...the Scoopy brand staws were paper - with a colored
> stripe
> (different colors per pack):
> http://www.antiqnet.com/detail,vintage-advertising-paper,672919.html
>
> Boy...that takes me down memory lane. :o)
>
> Yes...I know...I get a bit off the track. But, at least Sarah knows
> the
> transition from paper to plastic straws was some where between 1957
> and
> 1963...probably. ??? Oh wait, the ebay straw box doesn't show the
> word
> 'plastic' tho... ?? Would paper straws flexi-bend tho?
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dan Allen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:17 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Drinking straws
> >
> >
> >Drawing only from memory and oral history, friends and I
> >remember using
> >waxed paper straws well into the 1960s. I personally believe
> >the shift to
> >plastic occurred in the late 1960s coinciding with the rise of
> >MacDonalds,
> >the Krystal, Dairy Queen, and other fast food chains. Now the
> >damn things
> >are in every field and stream near a road:(
> >
> >dan allen
> >cumberland Research group, inc.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sarah Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:13 PM
> >Subject: Drinking straws
> >
> >
> >> Does anyone know of a citable reference (preferably
> >> not from the internet) for the beginning date of the
> >> plastic drinking straw and/or the date around which it
> >> came into common use? I have info on the history of
> >> the drinking straw in general, and a date for flexible drinking
> >> straws, but nothing about specific dates for the plastic drinking
> >> straw.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Sarah
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sarah E. Miller
> >> Kentucky Archaeological Survey
> >> 1020 A. Export Street
> >> Lexington, KY 40506
> >> USA
> >>
> >> phone: 859-257-1944
> >> fax: 859-323-1968
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> Do You Yahoo!?
> >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> >> http://mail.yahoo.com
> >>
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:25:04 -0600
> From: Mark Branstner <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Midwestern Farmstead Biblio
>
> --
> I am currently trying to develop a bibliography of articles, reports,
> etc. relative to the archaeology of nineteenth century farmsteads
> here in the Midwest. My sources are at least 10-20 years old, and
> I'm pretty certain considerable work has been conducted since then.
>
> I'm guessing that some of you may have already done this, so any
> suggestions would be appreciated. I guess I'm thinking mostly Old
> Northwest, Midwest, and perhaps the bordering Upland South ...
>
> I would be glad to put it together at a later date, and make it
> available to anyone who is interested.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark C. Branstner
>
> Illinois Transportation
> Archaeological Research Program
> 209 Nuclear Physics Lab, MC-571
> 23 East Stadium Drive
> Champaign, IL 61820
>
> Phone: 217.244.0892
> Fax: 217.244.7458
> Cell: 517.927.4556
> [log in to unmask]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:24:23 -0500
> From: George Myers <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Drinking straws
>
> No, I remember they used to fill the paper ones with sugar crystals
> and flavoring, crimp the ends and sell them to kids. They might even
> still be around tasted like Kool-Aid without the water. They were
> striped like barber's poles I think with different colors. Whoopee!
>
> George
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:37:44 -0500
> From: "George L. Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Midwestern Farmstead Biblio
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:19:20 -0800
> From: Anita Cohen-Williams <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Drinking straws
>
> I think that you are referring to Pixie Sticks, which are still
> around, and are huge.
>
> On 3/8/06, George Myers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > No, I remember they used to fill the paper ones with sugar crystals
> > and flavoring, crimp the ends and sell them to kids. They might even
> > still be around tasted like Kool-Aid without the water. They were
> > striped like barber's poles I think with different colors. Whoopee!
> >
> > George
> >
>
>
> --
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:29:37 -0600
> From: Mark Branstner <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Midwestern Farmstead Biblio
>
> George,
>
> Thanks. I was aware of the NY volume, which is excellent. Although
> I suggested Midwestern literature, that is clearly pretty arbitrary,
> since so many of the local immigrants were, in fact, emigrants from
> New England and the generalized Northeast, and here in Illinois,
> points south ...
>
> Thanks again
> --
>
>
> Mark C. Branstner
>
> Illinois Transportation
> Archaeological Research Program
> 209 Nuclear Physics Lab, MC-571
> 23 East Stadium Drive
> Champaign, IL 61820
>
> Phone: 217.244.0892
> Fax: 217.244.7458
> Cell: 517.927.4556
> [log in to unmask]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:45:06 -0500
> From: "Robert L. Schuyler" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Midwestern Farmstead Biblio
>
> George:
> For some reason your HISTARCH messages are not coming to me
> translated and this has never happened before.
> I wonder if others on HISTARCH are having the same problem? Just a lot of
> letters and numbers. Of course, we want to always know what you are
saying!
>
> Bob Schuyler
>
> At 04:37 PM 3/8/2006, you wrote:
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> Robert L. Schuyler
> University of Pennsylvania Museum
> 3260 South Street
> Philadelphia, PA l9l04-6324
>
> Tel: (215) 898-6965
> Fax: (215) 898-0657
> [log in to unmask]
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 14:48:59 -0800
> From: Anita Cohen-Williams <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Midwestern Farmstead Biblio
>
> Bob,
>
> I have this problem on and off with George's posts, as well as some
> posts from our NPS subscribers.
>
> On 3/8/06, Robert L. Schuyler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > George:
> > For some reason your HISTARCH messages are not coming to me
> > translated and this has never happened before.
> > I wonder if others on HISTARCH are having the same problem? Just a lot
of
> > letters and numbers. Of course, we want to always know what you are
sayin=
> g!
> >
>
> Anita Cohen-Williams
> Search Engine Optimizer/Guru
> http://www.mysearchguru.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 16:35:15 -0800
> From: Carol Serr <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Drinking straws - Pixie Stix
>
> Pixie Stix! Kids walking home from school used to buy them (1 cent per
> 'stix') at the corner market. Occasionally a friend would give me one
> (I didn't have any money to buy anything)...not like I needed a straight
> shot of Sugar tho! But yes, they were like Kool-Aid powder...tart and
> sweet. Guess they are still made...=20
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie_Stix
>
> While going down memory lane...anyone remember Kool-Aids rival...'Funny
> Face' drink mixes? Can you name all the flavors?
>
> Hint: http://theimaginaryworld.com/ffpac.html
>
> My mom took us off all sugar/candy when I was 6... I was a deprived
> child. (ha ha) Doesn't mean I refused candy at friends houses tho. :o)
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: George Myers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:24 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Drinking straws
> >
> >
> >No, I remember they used to fill the paper ones with sugar=20
> >crystals and flavoring, crimp the ends and sell them to kids.=20
> >They might even still be around tasted like Kool-Aid without=20
> >the water. They were striped like barber's poles I think with=20
> >different colors. Whoopee!
> >
> >George
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:16:54 -0500
> From: Ron May <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: American open spaces
>
> Other ideas concerning open space should include Arts & Crafts Movement
and
> City Beautiful Movements, both of which meandered between a mystical
nature
> and something to be controlled. There are a number of references in Arts &
> Crafts to "Middle Earth" and returning to the earth, especially in
architecture
> and the embracement of native stone and wood.
>
> Ron May
> Legacy 106, Inc.
>
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>
> End of HISTARCH Digest - 7 Mar 2006 to 8 Mar 2006 (#2006-55)
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