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One consideration that drives the use of "heritage" rather than  
"archaeology" in some circles is the realization that preservation/ 
protection/interpretation efforts in many parts of the world take  
place in the heritage arena, not archaeology.  And many people, in  
both public and academic circles, have a real problem connecting  
archaeology (ancient) with industry (modern).  You might also note  
that German speakers have problems with both words, and tend to use  
the term "industriekultur" as more inclusive.  While I personally  
like this gloss, I don't see it catching on among English speakers.   
The long track record of IA in the UK and its use in North America  
for more than 35 years leads me to stick with it, but you might  
notice that our new PhD is in "Industrial Heritage and Archaeology",  
straddling the fence to be more inclusive.  This also recognizes the  
fact that we emphasize both archaeological perspectives and  
historical ones, with a serious dose of real-world preservation and  
interpretation thrown in.

PEMartin

On Sep 27, 2006, at 6:51 PM, Mary C. Beaudry wrote:

Greetings, Iain,

I gather that luminaries in IA such as Marilyn Palmer are inclined to  
the
view that Industrial Archaeology should continue to define itself  
separately
from historical archaeology, and surely not as heritage studies.   
Clealry
understanding industry, work, and industrial processes requires  
different
sorts of expertise than being in the heritage industry!

In Jim & Eleanor's edited volume, I stake out the position that  
casting IA
as "heritage studies" is not a good thing; that it presents a  
slippery slope
of defining our job as having to do with ushering industries into the  
clean
and romanticized world of 'heritage' because  it is based on the premise
that industry is already a thing of the past, a part of constructed  
heritage
and not part of the real world of today.  My conversion came from  
hearing a
paper Larry Gross gave at the "Whither IA?" conference in Lowell some  
years
back (which he subsequently published in the American journal, IA).

MCB

On 9/27/06, J Symonds <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Hi Iain,
>
> Eleanor Conlin Casella and I have recently explored this issue in our
> edited
> Springer volume Industrial Archaeology:New Directions. The volume  
> argues
> for a
> social archaeology of industrialization. A common theme in this  
> volume is
> that
> that the physical recording of machines and industrial processes is  
> not
> enough.
>
> james
>
>
>
> Quoting Iain Stuart <[log in to unmask]>:
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> > Industrial Archaeology vs. Industrial Heritage
> >
> > Anyone noticed how we are loosing industrial archaeology to the  
> grab bag
> > term "heritage"? Any idea why?
> >
> > I seem to recall that when it was discovered that industrial
> archaeologists
> > were found to be doing history, archaeology, engineering etc it was
> deemed
> > that it must be "heritage " rather than "archaeology" But don't
> historical
> > archaeologist do much the same thing??
> >
> > Is it important that we keep the term industrial archaeology?
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> > Yours,
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-- 
Mary C. Beaudry, PhD, RPA, FSA
Professor of Archaeology & Anthropology
Department of Archaeology
Boston University
675 Commonwealth Avenue
Boston, MA 02215-1406

Patrick E. Martin
Professor of Archaeology
Department of Social Sciences
Michigan Technological University
Houghton, MI  49931
phone 906-487-2070,email [log in to unmask]
www.industrialarchaeology.net

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