And mine to you!  I only have a couple hundred pieces!

NEXT QUESTION:  Can someone please recommend references for mining
crucibles?

Thanks,
S. Walter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaye Nayton" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: porcelain id


> My Sympathy : )
>
> (from someone with a thousand odd, itty bitty shards from Cossack with
only
> one markers mark amongst the lot)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Walter" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:36 PM
> Subject: Re: porcelain id
>
>
> >I DO have back marks, both Japanese and Bavarian.  I've been trying to
> >match
> > them to the itty bitty decal decorated rim sherds, with only a couple of
> > successes.  I would love to connect more of them together AND figure out
> > where the unconnected bits originated.
> >
> > I've already run into all the problems you've mentioned, and have
already
> > checked extensively the internet.  Spent a lot of money on second hand
> > collectors books to look at photos.  Been to 3 antique malls and talked
to
> > people who deal with porcelains.
> >
> > My site was supposedly not used after 1927, but I have marks starting in
> > the
> > 1930s.  As later sites become more significant the copying situation
gets
> > more complicated.  Although I posted my query about porcelain, which is
> > the
> > most difficult for me to figure out, also from this assemblage are
single
> > colored vessels of apparently Japanese origin in direct mimicry of Bauer
> > and
> > similar California produced 1930s+ wares.  This site is in Los Angeles
> > county.
> >
> > No magical lights?  No easy answers?  Darn!  Thanks though.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ariadne Moore" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: porcelain id
> >
> >
> > Susan,
> > I'm by no means an expert on porcelain identification, but I think it
> > could
> > be quite tricky to identify Japanese vs. Bavarian without back-marks,
> > which
> > it seems you don't have on your site. Unless the rim sherds are
> > identifiable
> > as having a known motif that you can place to a reference, it could be
> > difficult, because the export markets mimic each other stylistically in
> > order to compete for the same business. To complicate matters, I think
> > that
> > Noritake porcelain was frequently exported as blanks and decorated in
the
> > U.S., etc. If you can identify the vessel form, I think certain
> > European-style teacups, for instance, are only produced in Japan after
> > WWII,
> > which would make yours European.
> > As a quick reference to oriental porcelain, have you ever looked at the
> > website www.gotheborg.com <http://www.gotheborg.com> ? It's a
collector's
> > site, but is pretty informative as a starting point.
> > Good luck!
> > --Ariadne.
> >
> > On 8/29/05, Susan Walter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Aug. 29, 2005
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I have a site dating into the 1930s, with a lot of porcelain. Much of
it
> >> is small fragments with decal decoration. I have some Japanese, some
> >> Bavarian. I am crosseyed and nearly crazy from looking through
Collector
> > and
> >> Schiffer books.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of a way to differentiate Japanese from European
> >> produced
> >> porcelains? Or good references?
> >>
> >> To clarify my question, I am talking about small DECAL decorated RIM
> >> sherds of PORCELAIN.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> S. Walter
> >>