Although I agree that individuals could/would go to certain locations for certain reason, the actual hypothesis of my work is that locations with the highest diversity of institutions (family, education, economic, government, religious) would have the longest durations and highest amount of success.
To my knowledge, I have seen little work (if any) on the concept of Institutional Diversity (ID). My plan is to research 30 failed communities in SE Minnesota from 1850-1870 and come up with an ID rating for them - and compare: distances to other competing destinations, duration, institutional threshold levels, etc. Distance to other towns (both failed and still extant) as well as max travel for traditional locomotion types will be key factors (of course I have to relocate the towns first!).
please keep the information/discussion coming!
Jeremy Nienow
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Good suggestion--this is a way to begin to get a handle on some of the
historical particulars which will affect your exact area.
D. Babson.
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Jeremy, I would think that people would have visited different
settlements
for different purposes. (I suppose we could call it something like
"access
to differentially distributed resources"). Your best bet would be to
seek
out account books kept by farmers and storekeepers in the area that you
plan
to use for your study, and analyze them with your questions in mind. It
will entail some work, but it'll get you actual distances, which will
be, as
David said, dependant on geographical and historical factors.
Lauren J. Cook, RPA
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Richard Grubb & Associates, Inc.
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Cranbury, NJ 08512
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Off the top of my head, I think the classic "catchment area" (this is
not the right term) for a 19th century agricultural town with
dirt-surfaced roads and animal-powered transportation (horseback,
buggies, wagons) has a 10-15 mile radius, at the outside. This distance
would, of course, apply more exactly in Christaller's concept of a
featureless plain, but be dependant upon topography and local historical
development in an actual place.
D. Babson.
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What I am trying to determine is which town site to include within a
given distance for an individual on an agrarian frontier in SE Minn
during that period.
Basically, if I associate a given population with a town at point A - I
want to include all those individuals that can make it to that town site
in a day. Furthermore, I want to include in my model nearby towns that
a person on the maximum fringe of my central town could go to (I.e. in
an opposite direction) in a given day - hence the competitive
destinations part of my work.
Your point on technology is good to consider - in SE Minn. during the
1850-1870 people were moving (by wagon, horse, and on foot) around on
minimally maintained roads (native/contact period trails, some stage
lines, one military road), rail lines were just coming in, but were not
well established until a few years later - river travel (I.e. the
Mississippi) is possible - anyone have stats for river (up and down) in
a given day (assuming steamboat through canoe).
Any additional information (and actual studies/citations) would be
appreciated.
thanks,
Jeremy N.
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By 1850-1870, you have a technological factor to consider. Were the
people you are studying traveling by foot or with animal-powered
transportation, or by rail? If on foot/with animal power, they were
probably making less than 20 miles a day, much less, if they were not
traveling on an improved road. By rail, they could move 100-200 miles
a
day (on a mid-19th century railroad, probably closer to 100 than 200
miles), on days that they were moving, not sitting in a yard, etc.
Stopping and waiting would need to be figured into either mode of
travel.
D. Babson.
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Hello fellow list members,
I am curious if anyone has done any work in Competing Destination
Models
(or gravity models) within an Archaeological/ Historical
Archaeological
setting?
Similarly, has anyone heard of using Institutional Diversity at a
settlement as a gage of settlement success?
Finally, I am working with Historic Period (1850-1870) distance
factors,
has anyone done any research into the distance an
individual/family/etc.
can travel in one day within a Frontier Setting - based on historical
accounts?
Please feel free to either post here or email me directly
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Jeremy Nienow
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University of Minnesota
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