Maybe I missed something in your original post - but since there is no plant 19 for the O-I period - just which location is your "19" around the mark?  Left is plant, year in two digits is right, mold is to bottom.

Charles Redwine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:I'm the first one to admit I may not know what I'm talking about. Its just
in my unscientific memory we find a lot of darn fragments of bottle bases,
such that I never find Toulouse very helpful in ID'ing except as "Owens;"
with not a picture or other help for historic bottle glass illiterates like
me to find out any exact factory of origin or date.

Charles Redwine

-----Original Message-----
From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Carol
Serr
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:58 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Owens-Illinois "mystery bottles"


Charles,

Just what do you mean by "mystery bottles"?? I'm not the expert on
this...but Bill Lockhart has pointed out that Coke and Pepsi bottles made
by O-I didnt use the standard code markings (after a certain date; oops,
dont remember now)...Coke made them make them to their standards,
etc. Often the date and plant codes were reversed. But is this the sort
of 'different' mark than in Toulouse...you mean?

And hey...how come when I hit Reply...this was directed to Charles's
personal email...rather than HISTARCH? Normally that doesnt happen (and is
how I mess up and not send a message personally). I had to hit Forward to
make it go to Both.

At 02:40 PM 8/2/2004 -0500, Charles Redwine wrote:
>I don't know about other parts of the country, but here in Alabama it seems
>(haven't done any actual stats) that we get more mystery Owen's bottles
than
>are mentioned in that Toulouse book. I suppose these are all pretty much
>post late 20's but it would be nice if someone could ID all these varying
>marks.



S.P. Austin