In a follwup on Andrew's question about embossed intervals, I checked the
few catalogs I have for drug store bottles and found no bottles of that
type offered by Whitall Tatum in their 1880, 1892, or 1902 catalogs.
However, Graduated Sun Ovals (which fit the description nicely) are
illustrated in the Illinois Glass Co. catalog of 1903.

Anyone else have any later catalogs you can check?  It would be cool to actually
derive an answer for this dating queston.

I think the bottle styles we are looking for are not those referred to by Griffenhagen
and Bogen.  If I understand the description given by Andy, these are the particular
style I still belive to be from about 1900 to about 1920.  If George was correct about
the base embossement being Owens (and I agree it probably is), it would fit the right
time period.

Bill


> The concept and use of graduation marks molded into pharmacy bottles
> dates back to 1866 (possibly earlier) (Griffenhagen and Bogen, p. 36,
> cited in my previous response). In that year, George Stoekel was given
> a patent for the discovery.  The Bitters that Bill Lindsey referred to
> was probably Mischler's Herb Bitters.  This Bitter's bottle was
> graduated in ounces and refers to Stoekel's patent, which was also
> used on French Square bottles initially.  The Griffenhagen and Bogard
> reference also states that "Eventually there were many styles of
> graduated prescription bottles, especially after 1900."  The Illinois
> Glass Co. Catalog of 1903-1904 shows several. Allen Vegotsky -----
> Original Message ----- From: "LOCKHART BILL" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 5:34 PM
> Subject: Re: "cc" intervals embossed on pharmaceutical bottles
>
>
> > Andrew and anyone else who may be interested:
> >
> > Knowing the type of finish might also help a bit.  If it is the type
> > of
> bottle I think it is, I
> > would guess at 1900 to mid-1920s.  If enough people with catalogs
> > from
> companies
> > that made drug store bottles would check, we could probably pin down
> > a
> fairly close
> > date set.  Anyone game to look?  Drug store bottles are not one of
> > my
> strongest
> > areas, but I will check at home.
> >
> > Bill Lindsey and I were discussing this a while back, but I could
> > not find
> my records
> > on it.  So, I e-mailed Bill, and his reply is below.
> >
> > I do not believe there is any solid citation available for this
> > phenomenon
> yet.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > ---------------
> > Hi Bill.........
> >
> > I remember the discussion thread about graduation marks on druggist
> > bottles, but don't remember anything else.  I looked back through my
> > emails (only back a couple months on this new ISP) and can find some
> > references, but no dating information.
> >
> > I looked back through my printed emails and find only the reference
> > to the Gould Amendment and volume labeling....i.e. that the
> > 1913-1914 legal labeling requirements may have been the beginning of
> > the graduation marks. That also fits fairly well with what I've seen
> > for the most part....most graduation markings are on druggist
> > bottles dating from the teens (like the labeled one I have which is
> > dated 1915, but mouth-blown).  I have not seen any that date to the
> > late 19th century that had graduation marks, though there are a few
> > other bottles that have some version of that. There was at least one
> > 1870's to 1880's bitters bottle that had these markings, but they
> > were really "dose" marks...can't remember the name off the top of my
> > head though.)
> >
> > Also, in my looking around various bottle books with decent dating
> > (company) information, there are few embossed, mouth-blown
> > prescription druggists that post-date about 1920 and all these
> > typically had graduation marks.  (I do have a couple that I'm sure
> > date no earlier than the mid 20's that are mouth-blown and have the
> > graduation marks.)
> >
> > Not sure that is what you were looking forward...will look some more
> > and let you know of any success.
> >
> > Bill
> > -------------------
> >
> > > Greetings, listfellows. I have exhausted my own resources in
> > > trying to track down information on manufacturing dates for
> > > pharmaceutical bottles that have embossed intervals on the side of
> > > the bottle that measures the volume in cc's. The specific bottle
> > > fragments I have with this embossing had a volume of 6 cc's, was
> > > clear glass and machine manufactured, and has a partial mark on
> > > the base: "/-ENS/-3/". Any help on this would be appreciated!
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Andrew R. Sewell, MS, RPA
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> > > Historic/Industrial Archaeology
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