Well there's ordinance on the cemetery? That's great. I had the opportunity
to drive through a number of times through the developing facility (there's
a great cave in Carthage and near Lake Bonaparte, it's said, at Alpina, on
Fort Drum, to be where one of Napolean's brothers (III?) was to be
domiciled. There's quite a French component to Upstate New York there, and
nearby at Cape Vincent was supposed to be another of Napoleon's kin, the one
who produced a Audubon-like "Birds of North America" while there, its
alluded to on the menu in a small French restraurant there, on the way from
Fort Drum, Sacket's Harbor to the ferry to Kingston, Ontario where the
Council For Northeast Historical Archaeology is meeting in October. I had
worked, in Ogdensburg and in part from there to Messina, NY and passed by
where Theodore Roosevelt was sworn in as President of the U.S. in the
Adirondacks.

The company that I worked for at Fort Drum, Envirosphere, was a division of
EBASCO, which had five upper floors in the World Trade Center once, then
moved to East Orange, NJ. The permenant relocation of the 10th Mountain
Division, from Camp Hale, CO was accomplished in the permanent building of
the current facilities. One morning we awoke to a large 5.0 earthquake
nearby, we in trailers along the Black River, which has the last sections
built of the canal systems in New York State. Uniquely, the river, maybe the
only one in New York, flows North.

George Myers


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From: "David Babson" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: 16 April 2004 Friday 00:21
Subject: Re: Abandoned Cemeteries (was: Re: safe gravestone rubbing)


Fort Drum cemeteries are all intact, much as they were 20 years ago,
when fist assessed by Louis Berger and Associates.  They are now managed
by the Fort Drum Cultural Resources Section of Fort Drum Public Works.
The larger cemeteries are open to the public twice a year, for relatives
to visit graves, and are also visited through tours organized through
the Jefferson County Historical Society.  To the best of my knowledge,
"misfires" have NEVER landed in the Fort Drum cemeteries.

D. Babson.


-----Original Message-----
From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
George Myers
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:21 AM
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Subject: Re: Abandoned Cemeteries (was: Re: safe gravestone rubbing)


Those situations can be problematic I learned. At Fort Drum, NY about
110,000 acres were many small communities, four of which, were bog iron
foundries producing railroad axles and wheels. Anyway, when Pine Camp
became Fort Drum after WWII the current limits were obtained. Some of
the cemeteries have had misfires land in them (stationary fire exercises
are conducted there for tanks from Fort Knox before moving on to Fort
Erwin in California, and also A-10 Warthogs at one time practiced there
escorted by F-4's. Much of the property is double fenced "impact zones")


Some of the trouble resulted in one of the locals shooting one of the
enlisted(?) men that resulted in a murder trial I heard. Unfortunately,
I have also witnessed why these things get out of control. One night on
Garden of Eden Road, right in Philadelphia, NY next to the "Garden of
Eden Farm" with the above acreage available, the place lit up in flares,
parachute flares and concussion bombs for about 40 minutes straight just
off a State road. I also thought I saw a coyote tearing across the
landscape in my headlights. That was twenty years ago, however, and
since, the place has changed into four lane highways, Hummvees and
Blackhawk helicopters and Bradley's and Abrams tanks. Quite a
transformation. I hope they got safer and the cemeteries are maintained.


George Myers