I own a k98 mauser 8mm 1934 ...war bring back from my  late father..and
I can tell you that the only time i saw any reference to the bolt of the
mauser sounding like a hand held nose maker(clicker) was on a tv show
episode from the television series  called "Combat" with Vic Morrow..the
clicker has a higher pitch and a pop that I cannot replicate my 98.
Kris

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If the area was foggy, it could well distort sound, as could mere
distance. Also, dropping behind enemy lines at night would put
CONSIDERABLE stress on a soldier.  Debriefing of soldiers involved in
the same action often show everything from monor inconsistencies to
widely different impressions of the same battle by different soldiers.

When we have had WWI and WWII frontline soldiers at the range, almost
EVERYone of them said that they did not remember the mauser rifles
sounding like that.  A sound that every GI in both theaters DID
recognize was the sound of the M1 rifle 8 round enbloc clip shooing out
of the rifle after the last shot and soundling like a tin can on a
gravel road when it hit the ground.  A sound every soldier in the
Pacific theater recognized, was the "rattle" of the dust cover on the
Japanese Arisaka rifle.  Nothing else sounds like that and many Japanese
took them off an threw them away after a couple of engagements.  That
sound would draw horrendous American fire.

I have talked to a lot of combat soldiers about the old WWI and WWII
military rifle over the years but it all just boils down to my
recollections of their impressions.  If anyone knows of any actual
research done on the dicotomy of recollections of WWI and WWII soldiers
and the actual events, I would love to hear about it.  The only one I
know about involves the Little Bighorn Battlefield and difference
bewteen the reported events and where the archaeology showed that the
actual engagements were.

Smoke.


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Well Smoke,

Inspite of your extensive research, veterans of D-Day claimed the German
rifles did, in fact, make a similar noise to those clickers and, in
fact, people got killed as a result of the similarity. I was not there,
having been born a year after my dad came back from the Battle of the
Bulge, so I do not have personal knowledge. Not all history comes from
the movies.

Ron May
Legacy 106, Inc.