There's an even older one from Egypt.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leavitt [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 4:27 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: no 'bout a dout it (as we used to say)
>
> I've heard it attributed to Socrates.
>
> We've been going to the dogs for a L O N G time now, but we still haven't
> arrived.
>
> Robert
>
> At 3/25/02 06:38 , you wrote:
>
>
> And "No Irish need apply" was obviously one of Foord's employment
> criteria.
>
> I also remember reading a passage written during the heyday of the
> Roman
> Empire lamenting about teenagers and how they would ruin society.
>
> History repeating . . . .
>
> Donna S.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel H. Weiskotten [ <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:41 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: no 'bout a dout it (as we used to say)
>
>
> I think this discussion has become a mixture of the two discussions
> of the
> old returnable bottles and the oen a few weeks ago about amythest
> glass -
> not quite rosy, but biased and tainted nonetheless.
>
> John Dendy's comments about the gangs, abortions, and such made me
> think of
> an interesting paper I have on my web page. It was presented in
> 1867 by
> Dr. Alvin Foord, maker of the famed Foord's Pectoral Syrup patent
> medicines
> that I hope many of you have had the pleasure to find and identify
> in your
> digs. Foord's paper discusses the reproductive patterns of what he
> considered the more desirable "puritan or Yankee" portion of the
> population
> (always having abortions) and the less desirable recent immigrants
> who were
> breeding like fruit flies.
> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/Documents/FoordMCMS1867.html>
> <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/Shorts/Questions/AlvinFoord.html>
>
> And, don't get me started on diseases that killed most people before
> their
> prime. One day in Dick Wilkinson's class he went through a list of
> various
> diseases that would have killed us in the good old days but for
> which we
> presently had cures or treatments. I had had two of them by that
> age and
> have since had a couple more. I am definitely not so teary-eyed
> reminiscent of the "good" old days, although I wish we could get
> back to
> the mentality of when we all carried pocket knives because we lived
> on
> farms and used them with care.
>
> Dan W.
>
>
>
>
>
> At 11:44 AM 3/22/02, you wrote:
>
>
> >`I take it, then, that there were no back alley abortionists or
> adoption
> >agencies in Detroit either? No gangs? No subculture? I thought we
> were
> >talking about history, not mythology.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Bowles [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:05 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: no 'bout a dout it (as we used to say)
> > >
> > > re., Why do you think it's called the "baby boom"?
> > >
> > > (a) Troops from Europe and the Pacific theaters returning
> to
> their
> > > families?
> > >
> > > re., Benzedrine, cocaine, heroin, marijuana
> > >
> > > (a) Not in Detroit schools of the 40's and 50's. And not
> in our
> > > neighborhoods. Truant
> > > officers were still in existence, you missed a day in school and
> a note
> > > from mom got you back in
> > > (not that I didn't write a few of those myself)
>
>
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