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Well, this pot I'm afraid has a rather unusal shape for a Iberian amphora of the
16-18th c. A flat base is pretty uncommon here, especially for this size. The
colour is too dark for Iberian material I think. Has the fabric any mica in
it???
I agree with Paul Courtney that the provenance must be East Asia. It indeed
looks more like a martavan. The little 'eyes' (four or six) are missing on the
shoulder though, it has no obvious impressed mark and not a good glaze. Wonder
what the fabric is?
As earlier said, could it be Korean or Vietnamese?
Some nice Chinese and Vietnamese examples can be found in the Japanese book'
Unearthed cities' (Tokyo 1996) with a.o. the digs from Nagasaki and Tokyo. They
don't have exactly the same shape and decoration though.
Michiel Bartels
Amsterdam NL
paul.courtney2 schreef:
> The pot looks rather like the Martavan stoneware storage jars produced in
> China and SE Asia. The only pictures I have are of C17 examples but the
> tradition may have continued on.
>
> paul courtney
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> > Dave:
> >
> > I did some archeological work in Sitka back in the early 1980's, so spent
> a
> > lot of time reading up on the Russians in Alaska. Following up on Ron
> May's
> > observation that your jar looks like a Spanish olive jar recycled as a
> > water jar: the Russian American Company suffered throughout its tenure in
> > Alaska from poor supply networks to Russia. My excavations in Sitka
> yielded
> > mostly British material culture, because the Russians depended heavily on
> > the Hudson's Bay Company for supplies. They also had some trade agreements
> > with the Spanish before the Mexican Revolution, and their settlement at
> > Fort Ross in California provided much of the foodstuffs for the Alaskan
> > outposts.
> >
> > It is very likely that your jar came to Alaska via the Russian American
> > Company, through their Fort Ross settlement and trade agreements with the
> > Spanish.
> >
> > Let me know if you need some specific references to follow-up. I know
> Glenn
> > Ferris, for instance, has done a lot of archeological work at Fort Ross,
> > and may be able to steer you down that path, if you like.
> >
> >
> > Cathy Spude
> > (aka Cathy Blee)
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
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