There's an even older one from Egypt.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Leavitt [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 4:27 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: no 'bout a dout it (as we used to say)
>
> I've heard it attributed to Socrates.
>
> We've been going to the dogs for a L O N G time now, but we still haven't
> arrived.
>
> Robert
>
> At 3/25/02 06:38 , you wrote:
>
>
>       And "No Irish need apply"  was obviously one of Foord's employment
> criteria.
>
>       I also remember reading a passage written during the heyday of the
> Roman
>       Empire lamenting about teenagers and how they would ruin society.
>
>       History repeating . . . .
>
>       Donna S.
>
>
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Daniel H. Weiskotten [ <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>       Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:41 PM
>       To: [log in to unmask]
>       Subject: Re: no 'bout a dout it (as we used to say)
>
>
>       I think this discussion has become a mixture of the two discussions
> of the
>       old returnable bottles and the oen a few weeks ago about amythest
> glass -
>       not quite rosy, but biased and tainted nonetheless.
>
>       John Dendy's comments about the gangs, abortions, and such made me
> think of
>       an interesting paper I have on my web page.  It was presented in
> 1867 by
>       Dr. Alvin Foord, maker of the famed Foord's Pectoral Syrup patent
> medicines
>       that I hope many of you have had the pleasure to find and identify
> in your
>       digs.  Foord's paper discusses the reproductive patterns of what he
>       considered the more desirable "puritan or Yankee" portion of the
> population
>       (always having abortions) and the less desirable recent immigrants
> who were
>       breeding like fruit flies.
>       <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/Documents/FoordMCMS1867.html>
>       <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/Shorts/Questions/AlvinFoord.html>
>
>       And, don't get me started on diseases that killed most people before
> their
>       prime.  One day in Dick Wilkinson's class he went through a list of
> various
>       diseases that would have killed us in the good old days but for
> which we
>       presently had cures or treatments.  I had had two of them by that
> age and
>       have since had a couple more.  I am definitely not so teary-eyed
>       reminiscent of the "good" old days, although I wish we could get
> back to
>       the mentality of when we all carried pocket knives because we lived
> on
>       farms and used them with care.
>
>                Dan W.
>
>
>
>
>
>       At 11:44 AM 3/22/02, you wrote:
>
>
>       >`I take it, then, that there were no back alley abortionists or
> adoption
>       >agencies in Detroit either? No gangs? No subculture? I thought we
> were
>       >talking about history, not mythology.
>       >
>       > > -----Original Message-----
>       > > From: Jim Bowles [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
>       > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 1:05 PM
>       > > To:   [log in to unmask]
>       > > Subject:      no 'bout a dout it (as we used to say)
>       > >
>       > > re.,  Why do you think it's called the "baby boom"?
>       > >
>       > > (a)        Troops from Europe and the Pacific theaters returning
> to
>       their
>       > > families?
>       > >
>       > > re.,  Benzedrine, cocaine, heroin, marijuana
>       > >
>       > > (a)        Not in Detroit schools of the 40's and 50's. And not
> in our
>       > > neighborhoods. Truant
>       > > officers were still in existence, you missed a day in school and
> a note
>       > > from mom got you back in
>       > > (not that I didn't write a few of those myself)
>
>
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