Hi Jan,
This is very interesting. Do you have more background information? Name of
the hospital, the presenter, the underlying documentation?
The use of laser is getting more and more popular here and there are no
protocols etc. yet, so I am eager to hear as many different sides to the
story. I don't like one-trick-pony's - it seems as if Tongue cáuses
everything nowadays and lasering it is sólving everything.
Lydia, LLL, Netherlands
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Onderwerp: Laser should never be used on babies mouths
I have been to a talk at one of our biggest maternity hospitals in
Melbourne. That hospital recommends that laser should never be used on
babies’ mouths They states that laser is basically extreme heat and can’t
be controlled enough to prevent damage to deeper tissue layers . They had
good evidence of nerve and muscle damage, excessive pain and trauma for both
mother and baby . I know this is such a contentious issue but I found the
presentation and discussion evidence based and compelling. I have also seen
in my own practice a babies mouth horrendously damaged and a desperate
mother told to stretch the wound several times a day. As an LC I would now
never ever recommend laser frenotomy and suspect in the future it will
viewed as abuse in much the same way as circumcision is
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I have been to a talk at one of our biggest maternity hospitals in
Melbourne. That hospital recommends that laser should never be used on
babies’ mouths They states that laser is basically extreme heat and can’t
be controlled enough to prevent damage to deeper tissue layers . They had
good evidence of nerve and muscle damage, excessive pain and trauma for both
mother and baby . I know this is such a contentious issue but I found the
presentation and discussion evidence based and compelling. As an LC I would
now never ever recommend laser frenotomy and suspect in the future it will
viewed as abuse in much the same way as circumcision is viewed today.
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Subject: treating a posterior tongue tie in Monsey NY
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Dear Friends,
A young relative just called me from Monsey New York and needs help.
She is a first time mother and is having problems breastfeeding - pinched
nipples, baby isn't transferring milk and supply is down, baby clicking at
breast and frustrated... Baby is 6 weeks old. She met privately with an LC
twice. The LC said that the baby has a posterior tongue tie and a lip tie
and recommended frenotomy and body work. She has an appointment for the
frenotomy but has some questions. Permission to post.
First of all she was led to believe that the procedure must be done by
laser in order to get good results. This is not my experience here in
Israel. What do you think (the laser is very expensive for this young
couple)
She also believes that almost all problems caused by a posterior tongue tie
will resolve themselves naturally by 3 months. She understands that she
would be pumping during this time to keep up her supply and keep the baby
fed. But I am not confident that there will be an automatic improvement at
3 months.
Lastly, her pediatrician has told her that fixing posterior tongue ties
seldom makes a difference.
I would really appreciate your advice and for those of you from the area,
a recommendation for a doctor in Monsey that does posterior frenotomies and
preferably takes Medicaid Fidelis.
Thank you so much,
Chayn Fogelman Israel
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