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Thanks for all the great ideas folks!

Have a great day!

Brian

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From: Sue Ann Heatherly <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:46:00 PM
Subject: Re: microscopes in museums


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Yes, to what Charles said. What Wayne may be talking  about is the visitor
interaction aspect, and focusing your own microscope has big emotional
reward for that visitor. I can remember vividly the first time I focused
in on pond scum. Goose bumps!

Sue Ann
NRAO-Green Bank, WV

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> Alan,
>
> That's a great note.  It harkens to the science of imaging things and
> is one of the reasons we have such a variety of scopes and
> techniques.  It should be noted that the Monterey Bay Aquarium
> experimented with the "controlled" use of research grade dissecting
> scopes  back in the 80's, which turn into a controlled visitor
> directed microscope demolition project and successfully replicated
> smaller experiments that we had run (just kidding!).  User control is
> a key element in any microscope presentation and yet elusive to
> implement.
>
> Charles
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Alan J. Friedman wrote:
>
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>> One more note on the microscope discussion:  I don't think anybody has
>> questioned Wayne's implied definition of a "real" microscope ("My
>> issue with
>> Wentz scopes is that at times I want the visitor to use a real
>> microscope.")
>>
>> I'll argue that the Wentzscope is a real microscope, as are the
>> various
>> video microscopes others have suggested.  There ARE fake
>> microscopes--ones
>> sold for classrooms that look like compound microscopes but are
>> not.  They
>> are simply slide viewers, and in place of an actual biological
>> specimen,
>> there are small small photographs on plastic slides.  The
>> photographs were
>> taken through a real microscope, and that's as close to real as
>> these get.
>>
>> A real microscope has a compound lens system and lets you see a
>> real-time
>> view of an object of your choosing.  A Wentzscope meets this
>> definition, as
>> do traditional laboratory microscopes, video microscopes, scanning
>> electron
>> microscopes, and so on.  The school "microscope" I've described is
>> intended
>> to deceive, and offers no advantages over looking at a photograph
>> except
>> that it tricks students into thinking they are using a real
>> microscope.
>>
>> I am sympathetic with Wayne's desire to give visitors an experience
>> with an
>> instrument identical to those which professionals use, and which
>> visitors
>> will recognize as such.  Many professionals today use video
>> microscopes, or
>> other devices that look nothing like the traditional design, but
>> visitors
>> probably don't realize that.  So putting a classic Zeiss, Bausch &
>> Lomb,
>> Olympus, or other expensive instrument out seems to be an attractive
>> proposition.  The difficulty is that they tend to be difficult to
>> use and to
>> break easily.  Setting up visitors for failure isn't something we
>> want to
>> do.
>>
>> When the NY Hall of Science was developing its first microscope-
>> intensive
>> exhibition 20 years ago, we bought one of every major brand of
>> microscope
>> for prototype testing.  We needed fairly high magnification to see
>> living
>> microbes.  The microscopes we bought either broke down, or visitors
>> couldn't
>> figure out how to use them, or both.  We also surveyed microscopes in
>> museums around the world, and didn't find anything that worked,
>> with the
>> exception of an early video microscope and a projection microscope,
>> but both
>> were too bulky and expensive for us.  In France I saw an elaborate
>> exhibition with Zeiss research grade microscopes.  The microscopes
>> were
>> surrounded by custom plexiglass cases, and only a couple of
>> controls could
>> be manipulated with friction-clutch knobs on shafts that stuck out
>> of the
>> cases.  Even so, all of the microscopes in the exhibit were broken and
>> unusable.
>>
>> In response to our problem, Budd Wentz, who was a consultant for us
>> at the
>> time, finished a design he had in mind for years, and produced the
>> first
>> wooden-body Wentzscope.  The rest of the story you know.
>>
>> So I see the challenge not one of getting real microscopes on the
>> exhibit
>> floor, but finding a way so that visitors realize that video
>> microscopes or
>> Wentzscopes are just as real as the iconic ones seen on television
>> in crime
>> labs.
>>
>> Alan
>>
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