>They have tried using different positions, they are massaging,and can eventually get rid of them,< I do not know what has been involved in trying different positions, but, in my expereince, the position of the baby relative to the mother is important in that it can facilitate the baby taking a more effective mouthful of breast tissue. Merely moving the breastfeeding dyad around may not achieve what is needed. Sometimes babies are on so that they look and feel on 'right', but improving the mother-baby contact to '101%' can help. I mention this because, after nearly a year on Lactnet, I am mildly puzzled by how seldom positioning is mentioned. In my practical work with women it is one of the most common areas which need attention and in discussions with my colleagues in the UK, it is something we discuss a lot. Both because we still see women coming home from hospital without having had the reasons for certain positional techniques explained to them (they know to turn the baby toward them, but don't know why, or that this includes removing the little arm which has crept between the baby and theeir body), and, because , in my experience it is always tempting to delve for interesting explanations and its hard to be really scrupulous if positioning seems ok. One thing I find really good to remember is that one can have thrush, or self-doubt or bacterial infections, and these need to be addressed by the breastfeeding worker, but that does not mean that positioning/attachment is not also an element of what is happening. I also find that women sometimes take some time to really believe that differences in the way they hold the baby and offer the breast can make such a radical difference to a problem they feel is located in another arena (e.g. mastitis -- needs antibiotics, thrush -- needs an antifungal, not enough milk -- needs dietary changes or baby rice). Often it can take several contacts and some repetition of the theory behind what I am doing to get the whole thing to gel. What do you find? Magda Sachs Breastfeeding Supporter, BfN, UK *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html