OOppp s..... forgot to say that the dad tried ff the baby with the SNS and the Hazlebaker ff and much preferred the HFF , it was easy to hold and control and easy to clean as well. Dad even helped mom massage her breasts prior to pumping, their idea , I didnt have to mention it! ;-) and the nursing staff did follow the orders and ff the baby with the HFF when the parents were not there. Moms milk came in and baby is on all breast milk now , no artificial stuff! -- Cindy~ *~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~**~ Cindy , RN, IBCLC ~ Virginia , USA ICQ # 412812 mailto:[log in to unmask] Benefits of Breastfeeding Home Page http://www.erols.com/cindyrn LactChat Home Page - http://www.erols.com/cindyrn/lactchat.htm