Hi Pat -- have you tried contacting an enterostomal therapist (I think that's what they're called)? I have a couple of different samples sitting in my office now that I got from our hospital's therapist. Neither are the brand the speaker mentioned at ILCA but seem to be similar. No hideous nipples have come through since I got it, but I had my 15-year-old try it out on a deep cut she got on a camping trip and she thought it was helpful. Not wishing for anyone to have nipple damage, but excited to try the hydrogel when the next nasty nipples DO show up. Becky Krumwiede, RN, IBCLC, Appleton, WI [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]