Linda:  Have you examined this baby to make sure the sore nipples are not
due to some mechanical issue on his part such as a short frenulum or bubble
pallette?  A slightly tight frenulum and flat nipples combined can make for
excruciating pain.  In any case, shells for inverted/flat nipples,
Lansinoh, and  the Evert-it would all help.  Try using "ice flowers" to
make nipple erect and reduce pain in the mom during initial latch.  If she
isn't having problems with let-down, the ice shouldn't be a problem

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