Linda: Have you examined this baby to make sure the sore nipples are not due to some mechanical issue on his part such as a short frenulum or bubble pallette? A slightly tight frenulum and flat nipples combined can make for excruciating pain. In any case, shells for inverted/flat nipples, Lansinoh, and the Evert-it would all help. Try using "ice flowers" to make nipple erect and reduce pain in the mom during initial latch. If she isn't having problems with let-down, the ice shouldn't be a problem : )Chris Hafner-Eaton, PhD, MPH, CHES, IBCLC email: [log in to unmask] : ) : )HSR & Health Educational Consultant voice/fax: 541 753 7340 : ) : )LLLLLLLLLLLLL**CHANGE THE WORLD, NURTURE A CHILD!**LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL : )