I vote no on the abm affiliation...for all the reasons previously stated. One question, how will this be verified? If someone from the industry DOES managed to get an IBCLC or CLE credential, will it be obvious from some other aspect? Is this strictly on the honor system? Are we kidding ourselves that we'd be able to really keep them out? Okay, so that's more than one question, but nonetheless the principle should be that LN is free of them. Chris : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : )Chris Hafner-Eaton, PhD, MPH, CHES, IBCLC email: [log in to unmask] : ) : )HSR & Health Educational Consultant voice/fax: 541 753 7340 : ) : ) **CHANGE THE WORLD, NURTURE A CHILD!** : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : )