Kathleen: You probably checked this, but I've seen that pattern when babies severely suck in their top and bottom lips while in the cradle hold. What happens in the football hold? Encourage mom to "peel" baby's lips out each time she latches him on. Also, is baby being treated for yeast too? Chris : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) Chris Hafner-Eaton, PhD, MPH, CHES, IBCLC email: [log in to unmask] HSR & Educational Consultant fax: 541 753 7340 Health Improvement Research Services voice: 541 753-7340 **CHANGE THE WORLD, NURTURE A CHILD!** : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : ) : )