I was interested in Jeanne's comments on arm flailing and her reference to Chloe Fisher. I spent a day with Chloe last month and learnt a new type of swaddling for arm-flailers. She laid the baby on the blanket/cloth and turned the sides in over the baby's arms, tucking the sides of the blanket under the body. Result - arms immobilised but the baby is still able to have frontal skin contact with mother and no bulky wrappings between mother and baby to interfere with positioning. I have also seen a mother use a nappy pin to restrict movement on the upper arm. She pinned the end of the jumpsuit sleeve to the body of the jump suit, moved the pin when she changed sides. It worked very well, baby didn't seem to mind, and it enabled me to help her with P&A more. I stress, these techniques are to be used for some babies when necessary to help with positioning and attachment. They should not become the new dogma for all babies. Yes, learn baby-watching. I am back on lactnet briefly but going no-mail again in a day or two. I am off on a real holiday for a month and not taking any work! Ros Escott [log in to unmask]