Pam, Am glad that you did bring it up. Its another one of those topics that never get discussed and should. Noone should apologize for their feelings, culturely based or otherwise. What is important is that we now have a better understanding of this and more sensitivity towards the women we are trying to help. In counseling, it is often the unspoken messages which are hardest to hear, but the most important to comprehend. We may have just about run this thread out, but it was a good one. sharon