Hi, Joya, I have been in this situation years ago as a LLL Leader. A mother was coming to meetings with such an infant, verbalizing that she didn't agree with her MDs concerns about baby's status. Baby looked terrible. After some conferring, the group's Leaders decided that we needed to gently confront the mother with our observations. Two Leaders told her that baby seemed inappropriately lethargic, and that most healthy infants are back to birth weight in 10 days to two weeks. We told her we could accept that she had not formed a trusting relationship with her pediatrician, but that she needed to find a new one immed. or take baby to a clinic, as baby needed evaluation. We told her that we felt a great concern for her well-being and had some hesitancy about approaching her, but that we had an obligation to the more helpless party (the infant) to speak up since some brand new mothers lacked experience to distinguish between a baby who was just a "good sleeper" and one who didn't have the energy to rouse to feed. We asked her then, what she planned to do in response to our intervention. Had she told us to mind our own business, or gotten angry, or delayed, our plan was to tell her we would have to report the situation to child welfare authorities. Luckily, she acted appropriately concerned. We let her know we would follow-up with her, and did so, until we were sure she was under a doctor's care. It is sometimes the case that post-partum depression renders mother's unable to appropriately cue to infants. You may also have to alert the WIC clinic about the situation -- talk to the appropriate person -- not a clerk. I think the conversation with the father also needs to be specific. Not what you think about the situation so much as what you observed, followed by the statement: I am worried about the baby's health and strongly suggest medical evaluation. It's a tough situation -- awkward for everyone. I'm glad you documented everything. It's a plus others are involved, as once you have done and said what you can, it won't be up to you any more. Good luck. Barbara Barbara Wilson-Clay, BS, IBCLC Private Practice, Austin, Texas Owner, Lactnews On-Line Conference Page http://moontower.com/bwc/lactnews.html