I also liked the differention of normal transient sore nipple with chrinic problematic ones. At a conference I attended someone presented a survey of LLL leaders (ceratinly well versed in positionin) 70% reported some soreness. From personal experience by my third I was experienced and anIBCLC and had quite a rough first few weeks with soreness ( I felt this was my revenge for saying that proper positioning always helped). The key thing though is that I kept trying things to improve the situation, which it did, but never considered quitting. Also an aside as to childbirth. All women should learn Lamaze even if they are planning to have an epidural. It only has a 90% success rate. With my first child it DIDN't work and I was really glad I had taken Lamaze as it got me through a rather "unnnatural" childbirth (pubic symphysis separation, precelampsia, etc). But yes childbirth does hurt. The key is to realize that one does not have to be controlled by the pain but can have control over it but a number of different methods. -- **************************************************** * Deena Zimmerman MD MPH * * Department of Pediatrics * * UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School * * 1 RWJ Place * * New Brunswick, NJ 08903 * * * * phone (908) 235-7248 * * fax (908) 235-7345 * * email [log in to unmask] (internet) * ****************************************************