Want a good laugh? The grandmother of new baby told me that when she had her kids she leaked like a sieve. Her babies were always very fussy. She told me her doctor told her that the holes in her nipples were too big an all her milk was leaking out so there was non left for the baby. (circa 1967) REminder: for those of you who are new and not so new to Lactnet--PLEASE (i'm pleading not shouting) don't hit the return/reply button without changing the subject line. Try to keep your subject line close to what your topic is. Those of us who are trying to keep files have a hard time wading through R: Lactnet digest ---special issue. Thanks ;-) Marie PS: Kathy Catone it's about time you joined us!