To Catherine, Jan, Patricia, who suggested that the flat nipples after epidurals may be an artifact of engorgement. You have raised a very valid point. As a LLL leader I don't ordinarily see mothers in the hospital, so I can't check this situation out myself. I raised the question because the observations by the Georgetown U. faculty at their facility, reported in the classes they gave here last week, interested me. I was not previously aware of this phenomenon, and thought that those who want to do some research on epidurals might like to include this in effects they look at. (I'm sorry, I forget the name of the person who earlier sought questions to look at relating to epidurals.) I had heard much discussion of effects of epidurals on the baby's sucking, but the "flat nipple" information helped me remember, again, how much breastfeeding and its progress is very much a two-way street, with factors in both mother and baby continually interacting and affecting each other. I still consider myself a relative novice in the breastfeeding field. I continue to learn so much on Lactnet. Thank you all for sharing your expertise, experiences in different settings, and wisdom gained from the many mothers and situations you have dealt with. Anne Altshuler, RN, MS, IBCLC and LLL Leader in Madison, WI