Kathleen-- I seem to remember another irreverant analogy that I suspect came from you. Hope I get it right. It centered around some (male) doctor attitudes towards the "normalness" of sore nipples. The person telling the story suggested that if men got sore penises every time they had sex, there would be an institute set up to study the problem. I think it really brought home the callousness (no pun intended) of many health professionals--unfortunately even women (I still have mothers telling me that the nurse at the hospital told her that sore (even cracked) nipples were normal and that the nipple would soon toughen up. Yikes! Leslie Ayre-Jaschke, BEd, IBCLC Peace River Breastfeeding Clinic Peace River Alberta, Canada