The story to which Jan Aken was referring and asked me to repeat made mention of something I shared with a good (not intimate in the sexual sense) male friend of mine when he mentioned how casually he recommended binding breasts. I suggested binding a certain pudendal organ for three days and seeing how that felt! (He got the--er--point.) Need I say more? PLEASE NOTE: I do NOT recommend using this analogy unless you know the (male) person VERY WELL. :-) Def. of LC service: "We are all faced with a series of great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations." Kathleen G. Auerbach,PhD, IBCLC (Homewood, IL)- [log in to unmask]