The definition of a "good latch" is simply: "Pain-free weight gain." It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. Four words. As long as mom is pain free and the baby is gaining weight, the latch is fine. Jan Barger, RN, MA, IBCLC, FILCA Lactation Education Consultants Wheaton IL *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome