Susan writes: "And as for U and C holds -- I think I abandoned any mention of those except as historical anachronisms about 7 years ago and "football" or "cradle" hold terminology was eliminated from my handouts at least five years ago. " ~~~ Interesting. I admit I still use the phrases "football ( American kind)", and "cradle" and "cross cradle." Most moms still use them, so I guess I use them too then work "outward" to skills and phrases and "positions" of some biologically nurturing style and offer that option as well. It's also interesting how many times I've done a follow-up visit and the mom has gone back to whatever position/hold/style she was using before I was there, even though it was harder for the baby to latch on comfortably, or even at all, and mom working SO HARD to LATCH the baby. Moms I think are still told by so many MDs and some breastfeeding group meetings, to LATCH their baby on. Helping mom let go of her impression that it's her job ( or mine, as the MD told her) to LATCH the baby on, is a challenge. Babies in BN positions show their amazing competence, and mom needs the ability to relax/have patience to let baby work their way to their own self-attachment. It doesn't always work, I find, but it's always good to try, and when it does work moms are often thrilled both that it worked and thrilled how cool their baby is to be able to really do it...:) Peace, Judy Judy LeVan Fram, PT, IBCLC, LLLL Brooklyn, NY, USA [log in to unmask] *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome