Hi Helen. I am not sure I understand what you are saying in your very erudite discussion. Can you speak more to what you would recommend to IBCLCs who deal with the moms who are 2 days out and who are sleep deprived and terrified that they will bump up against mortality in a very real and horrifying way. Thank you. Just confused.... -- Kathleen B. Bruce RN, BSN, IBCLC Lactnet "originator" and listmom [log in to unmask] http://www.etsy.com/shop/HeritageWoolSamplers Lactation Resources of Vermont, Inc. www.kbbspin.org *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome