Hi Lea Have you tried baby-led attachment? Topless mother in very reclined position. Place baby (naked but for a nappy) face down on mother's chest, bum at sternum level or lower. Then watch as the baby find the nipple, gape widely, drop his tongue and attach like a champ (we hope). I have only ever seen this not work in babies with really problematic tongue ties. cheers Nina Berry Australia *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome