Hi Shaughn You may have caught the sharp end of my ire - although it was not aimed at you. I apologise. I am a bit frustrated with constant assertions on the list that all manner of gadgets (including but not limited to pumps and scales) are a necessary condition of successful breastfeeding. I was trying, perhaps not particularly successfully to point out the gadget-addicts amongst us that which many of us outside the USA (and a few inside) have known all along (and not needed an over-priced American university to tell us): that breastfeeding is a robust process; that gadgets are usually unnecessary and can be counterproductive. I hope you will forgive my sharp tongue. Regards Nina -----Original Message----- From: Lactation Information and Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Shaughn Leach Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:41 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: ANCIENT Breast Pumping Approach Helps Preemies' Moms to Improve Milk Supply Nina I think I made light of a topic you obviously feel strongly about so to help me 'hear' you - which is extremely difficult by email I find :-) - could I clarify a couple of thoughts: Is it your experience that all women find hand expressing quicker and more effective? Are you suggesting we don't utilize breast pumps? Or are you saying that we need to be less focussed on breast pumps and more focussed on teaching mothers how to hand express? Shaughn Leach RM IBCLC DipT Perth, Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: Lactation Information and Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nina Berry Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2009 2:07 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: ANCIENT Breast Pumping Approach Helps Preemies' Moms to Improve Milk Supply Shaughn Leach said, "I am glad I have my automatic washing machine so I don't have to wash 'all' my clothes by hand!!" I certainly would not want to wash all my clothes by hand, either but not because I have an aversion to hand washing (or a preference for the use of machines) per se. I use the machine because doing so occupies less of my time and washes more effectively. If it were not so, I would not have wasted my money buying a washing machine. If washing in the machine took more of my time and was less efficient than hand washing, you'd better believe I'd hand wash everything! The point here is that hand expressing is quicker and more effective than using a breast pump or using a breast pump alone. Cheers Nina Berry Australia *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome