Regina, Regina wrote about depo and social engineering: "To which I reply: YES. Yes this is social engineering, but not on the doctor's part solely, and yes they assume that women will not wait, cannot wait, won't wait. More to the point, they (doctors, public health, etc) don't want to take the chance. These women are treated as objects, not as people. And sadly, this is systemic. The attitude you have both described is what we see: poor people should not have "too many" kids, "too many" being defined by someone other than the mother in question. And "informed consent/choice" is only paid lip service. You only have "choice" if you meet two preconditions: a) you have money, and (b) if your choices are the ones those in power want you to make. Otherwise, forget choice; it's an illusion, for you." Years ago when I worked as a WIC LC at a charity hospital in Florida (long since closed), the first question doctors asked when admitting maternity patients was if they could perform TUBAL LIGATION (which is PERMANENT!!) while they were there. It gave me the creeps. It is definitely social engineering and WRONG! Pam Wiggins, IBCLC www.breastfeedingbooks.com www.breastfeedingdvds.com *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome