Dear all: I fear I may be in some time warp because of my retarded social development. I had my son when I was 41 so I really never learned hand expression for him until I started lactation consultant training. I went through a variety of pumps from the nasty little single pump that the 20 year old next door neighbor gave me because she gave up on breastfeeding after 2 days. That ridiculous little pump would stretch my nipple out like a rubber band and had no cycling action. I had to cover a hole with my thumb and let go when the suction was too high. Needless to say --- that was not a particularly productive relationship and it ended up in the trash quickly. Then a friend sent me her Sierra Lactation pump. The LC who saw me for took one look at it (after I think I plied her with questions for about 3 hours) and was unable to figure it out. It had a complicated system of little tubes and valves that fit one into another. I think I finally figured it out by watching a video and it worked well until the motor blew up at work one day. Then I moved on to pumps that are more familiar to those who work in the US or Australia. I learned to hand express on other mothers. When I was in training to become an LC I actually had less opportunity to express for my son than I did in my not so friendly to expressing work place. So, there were times when I would hand express in some bathroom somewhere going from one client to another. I was able to use a rental pump when my mentors would see someone in their office. I was NOT good at hand expressing milk from myself, while I am reasonable at expressing milk from other mothers compared to Manhattan standards. I'm not sure I would pass a test in Norway. As for self expression, the issue stems I think from the two operations for fibroadenomas. The first severed nerve endings and that side has always been sensitive to touch. My son was OK, but hand expression or other manual touch was not. The pump was somehow neutral. Had I been trained to hand expression earlier, I think I would have been fine on the breast that had no fibroadenomas --- but by then I had a mental barrier. Best, Susan Burger *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome