You live and learn. 22 years ago at our local hospital I just assumed that this is what happened everywhere, so it's not a new thing. And yes, it is still the same. I'm surprised it's not. Even if they don't actualy manage to sleep, mothers need a quiet time whern they know there will be no interference from anyone, PN wards are such busy places. Helen England *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html To reach list owners: [log in to unmask] Mail all list management commands to: [log in to unmask] COMMANDS: 1. To temporarily stop your subscription write in the body of an email: set lactnet nomail 2. To start it again: set lactnet mail 3. To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet 4. To get a comprehensive list of rules and directions: get lactnet welcome