With Respect... I must just mention that Florence Nightingale never went anywhere near the Crimea. She was in Turkey, dealing only with the wounded who survived the journey out to the suburbs in Constantinople, where she was based. She never dealt either with the desperately wounded, or the War itself. She was based in military hospitals, on sufference, so it is no surprise she did nothing without direct consent of the military doctors. This is not to decry her remarkable acheivements, but to place them firmly in context. The nurse who was actually in the Crimea, nursing the wounded on the battlefront without military authority or support, was Mary Seacole. Who is forgotten in history as she was both of mixed race, and working outwith that sufferance. She literally built her hospital from the scrap wood and metal on the streets and saved lives against the wishes of both miltary doctors, and the establishment that deemed her unsuitable. Given the mythologising of Florence, and the forgetting of Mary, I'd suggest - respectfully - that holding up Florence as a beacon of good practise in terms of working with doctors is less useful than one might initially think. Unlike Florence, Mary paid her own vast fare to the Crimea, and when rejected by the Nightingale team in Turkey because of her colour, went on into the heart of the battlefield itself, in order to treat the wounded regardless of which side they were fighting. Mary's stance that all injured soldiers required aid, regardless of the politics of the situation, may be a more fruitful position from which to view the thorny ethical problem on gainsaying incorrect and possible damaging information given to mothers. In the mud and blood of the Crimea, Mary sought to give aid on direct need, and did not analyse it in terms of qualifications or seniority. Or political stance. She went to where there was need, regardless of being told it was not appropriate to her qualifications, gender or colour. Lactnetters might find more to resonate with in Mary, than Florence. Again, with respect.... Morgan Gallagher _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html Mail all commands to [log in to unmask] To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or [log in to unmask]) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet or ([log in to unmask]) To reach list owners: [log in to unmask]