Wow. I guess I took what I liked, and left the rest. I don't even remember reading those parts. What I do remember is, we have had 3 babies murdered locally in the past 2 years. One, the father threw against the wall. The second, the mother shook until the baby died. Can't remember how the third died. We live in a low-income, low-educated, Appalachian area. Not that I'm blaming nor excusing. It's just the way it is. There are precious few resources for parents, and children. They are what we give them. I would rather a baby was held than not. I'd rather a parent have a tool in the box, than nothing. If this method helps someone, I certainly believe it's better than beating them against the wall, shaking them until they die, or screaming at them. It's a tool. Tools are misused all the time. I teach children how to shoot rifles and pistols. Many people are shocked that I can hand a 9yo a rifle. We stress safety, safety, safety. In my mind, these children are going to find guns in the house (at least 1 out of 2 local houses has at least one gun, according to statistics), and it is better to know how to use it properly then to play with it. None of the children who have used a gun as a weapon have been trained through our program. We "graduate" about 60 kids every 6 weeks. There have been at least 4 children involved in gun fatalities in the past few years. None of them came out of our program. We give the information, and it is up to the individual to process and use this information. Perhaps they do not use it to the ideal of how our species is meant to be treated, but it is usually better than the alternative. Sam Doak *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET email list is powered by LISTSERV (R). There is only one LISTSERV. To learn more, visit: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html