Birth, like BF, is something that touches us deep in our souls, so our feelings about it are STRONG. There are many ways to come into the world, some less fun than others, some cheaper than others, some more undisturbed than others. Regardless of how they arrived, babies deserve our best efforts to help them get their intended food. It certainly never helps in the individual situation to intimate to a mother that had her birth been different, her BF problems might not have occurred. We don't know that; we can speculate, but that's it, and the bottom line is, what is going to help this mother and this baby, here and now? The art of using science wisely involves knowing when to use which tools of the trade. (That goes for us too!) It's always an individual decision, hopefully one made after weighing all the relevant evidence as it impinges on the case in question. The discussion on the relative merits of different ways of being born is teetering dangerously on the brink of getting personal, in this listmother's opinion, not to mention the risk of it getting off topic if we are reduced to arguing about CS vs. vaginal birth (or 'disturbed' vs. 'undisturbed' birth). This is NOT at all to say that 'route of delivery' or 'style of birth attendance', if you prefer, are taboo subjects. But keep it BF related and don't get personal, y'hear? There are organizations working to improve the quality of perinatal care for mothers and babies; I urge everyone with strong feelings about birth to look around and consider putting your activist energy to good use there. cheers Rachel Myr Kristiansand, Norway, where I am now off to work an extra shift on the post partum ward, as an extra midwife because we have 4 new CS mothers today (avg. number of total births/day is 6) and need some extra hands to help with BREASTFEEDING :-) *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html