Hi. I have a cute story to share since there was a discussion on Lactnet not long ago about dads helping with engorgement. I had a mom with severe engorgement. Not able to pump anything for two days and baby has not latched for two days. She came in as an outpatient to use hospital pump since she only had an Evenflo. I showed her RPS and alternated that with pumping. By the way, the RPS was very effective even though she was only able to pump 1/2 an ounce. I had talked with this mom while she was in the hospital so I felt comfortable mentioning how father's sometimes help. I said it in sort of a joking way, but mentioned that many dad's have helped- more than we know I am sure! The mom stated that she actually thought of that. She said she was in so much pain that she begged him to help out, but he couldn't bring himself to do it--said he would probably throw up! He was very comfortable talking about it and we all had a good laugh. I called her the next day. She said she feels much, much better and baby was breastfeeding again and very happy about it too! She asked if I wanted to know what worked. She said, "I begged my husband and he finally gave in and said he would do it for his son. After he sucked for about a minute or two I felt an awful pain and then it was like the flood gates opened and I was then able to pump two 8 ounce bottles!!" So there you go! :-) About the pitocin after delivery. After reading the recent JHL articles about fluids and breast edema I was talking with a nurse about how much fluids moms get in an average delivery. She mentioned that more and more the docs are having the pitocin administered through the IV fluid. If 500 cc or more of the original bag is left from labor then that can be used otherwise a new 1L bag is hung and the entire bag is given after delivery. Some docs still just do the IM injection. That sounds a bit much to me. Most of these moms are are ready overloaded with fluid and to give an entire liter extra just to administer pitocin when the pit may not even be necessary in the first place! I do plan to discuss this at the staff meeting tomorrow- I am doing a little talk about RPS. I also plan to ask the doctors about it. I will let you know what I find out. Christine Lichte, LLL Leader, IBCLC *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(R) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html