I use a protocol similar to Patricia's - using sage as a last resort after trying one-sided nursing etc. However, I learnt just how potent sage can be a couple of years ago. A mother asked about using sage from her garden instead of store-bought ground sage. Having no experience with fresh sage I could not advise her how much to take and suggested it would be safer to use the ground sage. She decided to use the herb from her garden - took it once (maybe twice - I forget) and her milk supply downsized quickly and so dramatically that she could no longer meet her baby's needs. Her milk supply never recovered despite her best efforts! Jean Ridler RN RM IBCLC South Africa [log in to unmask] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 2003/11/18 *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html