I have to chime in about Diane's comments on lousy latches. I don't know how many times I see a latch and moms tell me the upper lip is curled in. I ask her how it feels and if mom says it feels fine, then I tell her the latch is fine. My attitude is "don't fix what's not broken". Moms don't believe me because the other LC told her the upper and lower lips need to be curled out. I ask again "how does it feel?" And, again I recite that studies demonstrate the most reliable factor is not how it looks but how it feels. If it doesn't hurt, volume transferred is adequate (many times it's fabulous!), and nipple comes out of mouth nicely round and not distorted, then it's an okay latch. I also confront the issue of "flanged lips" many times and moms inform me the LC said she was latched properly, but I'm looking at her toes curl and peeling her off of the ceiling. In these instances, I don't care how well the lips are flanged, the latch is not right. I often have to convince moms of this fact...they're so used to their friends, neighbors, other LCs telling them that it's supposed to hurt until her nipples toughen up. I had a mom come into my office yesterday with her 2 week old to purchase a bra and pump pieces. Unfortunately, she experienced severe soreness for 1 week and didn't call for a consult. She'd stopped into the office before having the baby, but didn't think I could do anything more for her. I let her know that the pain she endured was not necessary. Carol Chamblin, RN, MS, IBCLC Breast 'N Baby Lactation Services, Inc. St. Charles, IL *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html