Donna, you're right, it is a problem mom. It is so frustrating to work with moms, give them all the best advice, and then see them ignore it all and listen to their family who have no experience with breastfeeding. I am sure that the ped will give them a big talking to today. I am betting that the baby will be slightly jaundiced at least, and probably just barely hanging on to discharge weight unless mom's milk is just cream. The lack of scoopbable poops is a red flag. If they were to see our docs today, they would have the holy bejeesus scared out of them and be ordered to supplement (one doc is not very patient with bf mom-"sigh") or given an earnest talk and then sent down the hall to talk to me. The way I explain it to parents of sleepy babies who aren't gaining weight is that they have babies with easy going dispositions so they don't fuss, but give subtle cues to hunger. They are sleepy as they are conserving energy because they aren't getting enough. I tell them they have to feed them on a regular frequent basis until they "pick up steam". If they listen, I get the report back at the next weight check in 2 days that the baby is having more seedy stool, and waking to demand feeding. I just hope your mom gets a doc like my second one. *********************************************** To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or digest) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet All commands go to [log in to unmask] The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html