"There is a theme that runs throughout Christianity that if you aren't sacrificing and hurting then you aren't truly "saved." Goes along with the theme that you have to "work" for salvation, ie: "earn it.". "For the religious and others, there is a huge distrust of anything that seems like indulgence--i.e. meeting baby's needs, meeting one's own needs." I know that Kathleen asked us to get off the subject of religion, yet people persist in making comments about religion. Pat, this comment about Christianity is offensive and inaccurate. Mary Alice, I'm not sure how to take your comment, and I'm sure that this is the reason we should not discuss religion on Lactnet. This is NOT the place. We've worked hard to establish trust on this list, so let's not destroy it. Thank you. Joyce Coleman *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html