I tell moms there is a trade off. Most first time moms have more trouble with engorgement and fewer afterbirth contractions. 2nd time or more moms have more afterbirth contractions and less engorgement (like breasts sort of know what they are supposed to do this time). But I'm sure every multip on this list can agree that those contractions after the baby hurt! A little tylenol or motrin and tincture of time fixes it. The problem is in today's world no one wants to put up with ANY pain and everyone wants INSTANT answers and solutions. Tincture of time is very old fashioned :-( Sincerely, Pat in SNJ *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html