Maria, Is the mom attaching baby lower jaw first a la Jack Newman's recommendations. (I refer to this as "leading with the chin".) I find that this helps get that lower lip turned out. Since I have used this approach, I have only had to "tweak" a lower lip out once whereas before, it was a frequent intervention. I find that is some cases, as mom is lining the breast up in preparation for latching, it almost looks like she is planning on putting the nipple up the baby's nose! Then once the lower jaw is placed well back on the breast, the rest of the areola and the nipple go into the baby's mouth. Some of the best drawings are a paper titled "When Latching" which you can find at the site named "firstfeast". If this method gets that lower lip turned out, then she can pull the upper one out once baby is attached and it's a lot easier than pulling out the lower one. Winnie *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html