Wish as much money was spent on trying to understand human lactation!>>>>>>>> Ahhh, but there would have to be a profit in there somewhere for the incentive. At least in our culture. Interesting trip Lisa. As a ranchers wife who has milked cows I always did notice that no matter how much dry alfalfa and grain I fed, the cows always gave more when I could let them out into fresh green pastures. And for the one who had all those hiefers with calving problems, getting a calf to latch to bottle can be hard. We haven't had one in a long time but would straddle them, butt behind us, head in front while holding the bottle and stroke the throat to stimulate sucking. DH would sometimes have to compress calfs mouth on the bottle but they got the idea . I had temporary care of a Toggenburg goat recently, 2 days pp and severely engorged, babies couldn't latch. Mastitis. Had plugs and strings coming out making milking a real challenge. I was thinking about cabbage leaves but couldn't think how to hold them on. Was glad when the lady picked her back up after two days but I did get rid of the engorgement milking 3x times a day till my hands fell off! (Actually all I got was a little milk and carpal tunnel!) I really do work with humans most of the time but I have a long list of animal encounters and am amazed at how my people knowledge really helps out. Adele Delgado *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html