I am sure you have already tried his, but the football hold seems to work best in this situation, also, you MAY want to reintroduce the nipple shield at some feeds to just get baby there, assuming it is a silicone one. How about a SNS to get baby at thebreast? Have mom do suck training on moms or dads finger , after baby sucks on finger a minute, try to switch him to the breast... this is just what comes to mind right off the top of my head. Keep me posted. Cindy Cindy Curtis,RN,IBCLC mailto:[log in to unmask] http://www.erols.com/cindyrn *********************************************** The LACTNET mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software together with L-Soft's LSMTP(TM) mailer for lightning fast mail delivery. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html